Two student loan horror stories:
Story No. 1. I’ve heard back from one of my former clients that student loans are now harder to get than they were before filing. In fact, that particular person seems to have been cut off entirely from student loans. It means for that client, who happens to have been employed as well as in school, that money will have to be set aside in advance before going back to school. So there is an unexpected delay in educational plans. It may be significant that this was a person who was relying on private student loans, not government student loans.
There’s what appears to be good article on the subject of bankruptcy and student loan eligibility at finaid.org. They say that bankruptcy should not effect eligibility for government student loans, but that it is common for there to be a problem with private student loans. This might explain why I haven’t been hearing from most of my clients or former clients about any such difficulties. I believe that most of my clients, if they do have an ongoing financial aid program at a college or school, are using government lenders not private lenders.
Story No. 2. Again, it’s a problem with a private lender. Client is no longer in school, but has a student loan and wants to keep paying. However, for several months now the client has not been able to find anybody who will accept the payment. There seems to be a musical lender shell game in progress. After the bankruptcy filing, the original lender seems to have transferred the loan to another institution. The new lender seems to have transferred it again, but the client can’t seem to find out where. I’ve made some calls about it, but it seems impossible to get a real person. When one does get a real person, they just say you’ll hear from someone soon. But so far that’s not happening. Frankly I wonder if someone has lost the file. The problem is of course that student loans don’t ever really go away, and sooner or later this thing is going to pop up with somebody demanding payment. And I’m sure whoever it is won’t be forgiving any of the interest that has been accumulating during this time that the loan seems to have disappeared.
I’ve been telling my clients that if they will be needing more student loans after we file, then they better check with the lender and their financial aid office at school to try and get a preview in advance as to what the effect of the bankruptcy might be.
I just got off the phone with a guy who claimed that he found me by typing “best minnesota bankruptcy attorney” into google.
I just tried it. Sure enough, my web site comes up first – at least in the organic results. I’m not counting the paid advertisements, just the regular search result listing.
I have no idea how this would happen. Some sort of a fluke I would suppose. I do my own web site, but I have made no effort to promote the word “best” as any kind of a key word. I might mention somewhere on the site that I use software called “Best Case.”
So that’s my curiousity of the day. I’m sure that result won’t continue for long. More later.
Your phone is disconnected. I tried to return your call at 12:30 pm today as I said I would; but between the time you called me around 10 am today and the time I tried to return the call, you apparently were disconnected.
Please try to call me again when you can. I know they say that the recession is behind us, but the fact your phone got disconnected today would seem to indicate that it is not over for you.
While not on the same level of magnitude, this reminds me of the time – not that long ago – that a repo guy towed my client’s car away from the parking lot in front of my office.
Not long ago I was meeting with a client who was pursuing the mortgage modification process through the federal progam known as HAMP. We were close to filing a bankruptcy; and my client expressed concern that if the modification came through, the lower house payment would mess up the budget numbers we were about the file with the bankruptcy court.
I don’t ever mean to be rude. I certainly hate to discourage people. Sometimes I need to apoligize to my clients for the things I say. Sometimes I even try to apologize in advance, because the nature of what I need to say could be offensive – not to mention that my sense of humor is really backwards too.
BUT – without any advance apology – I told this particular client that I believed the chances of getting the mortgage modification were about the same as the chances of being hit by a meteorite.
I don’t claim to be an expert on mortgages or finance. I don’t provide legal advice on that subject. It’s enough trouble for me to keep track of the bankruptcy laws. A large number of my clients, however, have tried on their own to do these mortgage modifications. My estimate of his chances of success were based only on what I have seen others go through, not on any direct knowledge or expertise. Almost nobody I have known has ever been successful. Two clients, maybe three, have actually succeeded.
I was reminded of my talk with that client when I read the headline story about mortgage modifications in yesterday’s Sunday StarTribune. They had a front page story that continued in a full page layout on one of the inside pages. The reporter described multiple incidents where the lender encouraged borrowers by temporarily lowering payments, only to announce a year or so later that the modification was denied. Suddenly all the formerly reduced payments became due and payable immediately. Foreclosure often followed.
I have spent more time than I should have just now trying to put a link to that StarTribune story into this blog entry. I guess it can’t be done, because that article is designated as “premium content.” Its only available to subscribers. I could carry on at length just about that, but I better shut up now.
I got a fax yesterday from someone who said he had been given my name by an outfit called “Legal Helpers.” He said they were not attorneys and that they were helping him prepare his own bankruptcy without an attorney. He seemed to think that somehow I was associated with them. Please let the record reflect that I am not.
I have nothing to do with them. In addition I want to say that anyone trying to file their own bankruptcy without a lawyer is taking a very serious risk. To anyone who is trying to do that: please don’t rely on anything I have posted on my web site or anywhere else. Nothing written or provided by me is intended for do-it-yourself use, and trying to use my material that way could lead you to disaster. My web pages are nothing but a few general comments, not intended to be any sort of an exhaustive treatise.
Lincoln said it: “He who represents himself has a fool for a lawyer.”
Effective November 1st there are new median income numbers for prescribed by the US Trustee’s office. The only state I have looked at is Minnesota. I don’t know if median incomes rose anywhere else, but here they seem to have dropped significantly. I am now in the process of reviewing the cases I am working on to see if these new numbers will create a problem.
There are a few cases I was hoping to file before the end of this month. For most if not all of them there is still something I need my client to provide, such as a counseling certificate, before the case can be filed. I will be trying to contact all of those clients to emphasize how important it is to not delay. Even if you can get by with the new numbers, the cases will certainly look better if we can use the old pre-November median income table. I have already posted the new median numbers on my Chapter 7 page.
I mentioned in my last post that the judges of the district were unhappy with many of the younger new lawyers who are filing bankruptcies but making all sorts of mistakes. They are also displeased to learn that many clients feel abandoned by their lawyers after the case is filed. The judges and the clerk of court are getting calls from debtors who can’t seem to get their lawyers on the phone. In other cases the clients have never actually met with the person who is supposed to be their lawyer, but have only worked with other staff in that lawyer’s office. To try to remedy some of this the judges have provided a new checklist – one for Chapter 7 cases and one for Chapter 13 cases. It lists what the lawyer is supposed to be responsible for and what the debtors are responsible for. Each list runs about five pages. A copy of both lists can be found on my site under a link labeled “responsibility forms.” I guess I don’t mind the forms, although they do create more work. I just wish they weren’t needed.
Just spent all day today and all day yesterday at the Minnesota Continuing Legal Education’s Bankruptcy Institute. For me the best part was this afternoon, a presentation about the preparation and amendment of Chapter 13 plans.
It was also just good to reconnect with some of my fellow bankruptcy lawyers. Things are getting really complicated out there. Some of the judges and trustees were expressing frustration with a number of younger and inexperienced recent law school graduates who have not been acclimated to the level of professionalism that’s required. Apparently there is some concern that clients are being abandoned by their lawyers.
To try to combat this the judges of the district are about to order a new procedure – from my point of view just another form that must be completed before filing. This one is going to be a long list of duties and responsibilities – one list for the lawyer and the other for the client. It’s going to be food for conversation to say the least.
I’ll have more to say about the new form once I have actually started working with it.
I had a hearing (meeting of creditors) in St. Cloud this past Thursday. I go there fairly regularly, because that’s where the initial bankruptcy hearings are for residents of Wright County – and quite a few of my clients are from Wright County. I’m really not that far from the Wright County border. Particularly since the most recent straightening of Highway 12, getting here from places like Delano, Montrose and Waverly isn’t that hard.
That hearing was fairly early in the morning, and I got to look at the fall colors along I-94 in the early morning sun. I think the low angle of the sun in back of me as I headed northwest contributed to the drama. If those colors weren’t at their peak, it had to be about as close as I’ll ever see. Every time I came around a curve to a fresh view of reds and oranges, I was thankful that I had an excuse to be making that drive.
The hearings in St. Cloud are at the Red Cross Building on St. Germain St. It does not at all look like a court house. In fact I would say it’s a strange place to be having hearings like that. I had my camera in the car and I was thinking of taking some pictures of the place for my web site. By the time I was done with the hearing, however, I had forgotten about taking pictures. I was concentrating on the case to the point that I didn’t remember anything about the picture idea until I was half way back.
The drive southeast from St. Cloud allows one to contemplate the railroad which runs parallel to the freeway. Burlington Northern Santa Fe I think. Until a few years ago there were the remnants of some sort of railroad-related telephone or telegraph lines along that railroad. Every now and then as one drove along an old pole could be seen in the trees or bushes along the railroad with a few wires draped over it and hanging to the ground. Those seem to have all been removed now, because I don’t see them anymore. One time I spent a few minutes on Google trying to see if anyone had posted anything about the history of those old poles and wires, but I found nothing.
As a kid I remember that all railroads had lots of telegraph or telephone wires running alongside. It was explained to me, I no longer remember by who, that those were private railroad communication lines so they could keep track of where the trains were and keep them from running into each other. Obviously they’ve found a better way to communicate and don’t need the wires anymore. I’m curious about it, but I can’t seem to find a write up on this topic anywhere. If anybody knows of a good place to look for such info, please let me know.
Well, that was a good ramble. More later.
There’s a lull in my phone calls and appointments today – day after Labor Day. Something to do with the first day of school I would guess. As usual my schedule is very busy starting tomorrow and going about two weeks out, but not today.
So I was able to spend part of the morning working on a “Welcome” tab for my facebook page. There’s a free utility for that, which Kim Komando recently recommended. I trust her recommendations, and this one was as described. It consists of a template, actually a choice of templates, where one can fill in graphics and text with a link to one’s web site. I’m pretty satisfied with mine, which you can find by clicking on this bit of text.
I guess I’m a bit shy when it comes to facebook. To me the whole concept is hard to wrap my brain around. That probably has something to do with my core belief about computers, which is that they are nothing but glorified typewriters. It’s not right for a typewriter to do what facebook does.
I’ve been trying to reassure people that in most cases winding up in jail because of a debt is unlikely. Here’s what I said about it recently on youtube: