{"id":40,"date":"2007-11-07T21:48:00","date_gmt":"2007-11-07T21:48:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/mn-bankruptcy.com\/blog\/?p=40"},"modified":"2019-04-20T21:42:03","modified_gmt":"2019-04-20T21:42:03","slug":"lawyer-buddies-and-whats-of-counsel","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/mn-bankruptcy.com\/blog\/lawyer-buddies-and-whats-of-counsel\/","title":{"rendered":"Lawyer buddies and what&#8217;s &#8220;Of Counsel&#8221;?"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>There are three or four other lawyers with whom I consult more or less constantly. Actually maybe it&#8217;s five other lawyers. Two are guys I office with, and the others are people I speak with a lot, usually by phone. I&#8217;m reluctant to name them because I don&#8217;t want them held responsible in any way for anything that I&#8217;ve done; but there are days when I have been temped to ask one or two of them if they would mind if I listed them as &#8220;of counsel&#8221; on my letterhead and web site.<\/p>\n<p>That &#8220;of counsel&#8221; designation is something you will run into now and then as you are reading about or looking up lawyers. The meaning as I understand it is a bit vague, but it usually refers to a lawyer who is not an associate or partner, but who is in the same building or general vicinity, and with whom one consults a lot.<\/p>\n<p>My Black&#8217;s Law Dictionary defines the term as a lawyer &#8220;employed to assist in the preparation or management of a cause, or its presentation on appeal, but who is not the principal attorney of record &#8230;&#8221; The usage of the term in my experience is much broader and would include lawyers who are around &#8211; that is physically present or close by &#8211; and with whom one consults; but I wouldn&#8217;t expect them to be actually &#8220;employed,&#8221; since generally there is no money changing hands. Today I ask one of them a question about something, tomorrow one of them may ask me. It&#8217;s a fair exchange usually, but not a monetary one.<\/p>\n<p>OK. I&#8217;ll admit it. Sometimes it&#8217;s not exactly a fair exchange. Sometimes I monopolize the time of my friends to the point that it&#8217;s unfair to them and an <span id=\"SPELLING_ERROR_0\" class=\"blsp-spelling-corrected\">embarrassment<\/span> to me. On the other hand, I have done a few things for some of them that could be considered beyond the call of duty; so I think or like to think that in the end it does balance out.<\/p>\n<p>I don&#8217;t think I could ever practice law and operate out of an office entirely by myself. It would never work for me. I need other lawyers around; people with whom I can chew over, mull around, run up flagpoles, dispute and otherwise try out ideas.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>There are three or four other lawyers with whom I consult more or less constantly. Actually maybe it&#8217;s five other lawyers. Two are guys I office with, and the others are people I speak with a lot, usually by phone. I&#8217;m reluctant to name them because I don&#8217;t want them held responsible in any way &hellip; <\/p>\n<p class=\"link-more\"><a href=\"https:\/\/mn-bankruptcy.com\/blog\/lawyer-buddies-and-whats-of-counsel\/\" class=\"more-link\">Continue reading<span class=\"screen-reader-text\"> &#8220;Lawyer buddies and what&#8217;s &#8220;Of Counsel&#8221;?&#8221;<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_monsterinsights_skip_tracking":false,"_monsterinsights_sitenote_active":false,"_monsterinsights_sitenote_note":"","_monsterinsights_sitenote_category":0,"footnotes":""},"categories":[62],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-40","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-fellowship"],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO plugin v25.7 - https:\/\/yoast.com\/wordpress\/plugins\/seo\/ -->\n<title>Lawyer buddies and what&#039;s &quot;Of Counsel&quot;? - Better Call Dave - Bankrupt MN Blog<\/title>\n<meta name=\"robots\" content=\"index, follow, max-snippet:-1, max-image-preview:large, max-video-preview:-1\" \/>\n<link rel=\"canonical\" href=\"https:\/\/mn-bankruptcy.com\/blog\/lawyer-buddies-and-whats-of-counsel\/\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:locale\" content=\"en_US\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:type\" content=\"article\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:title\" content=\"Lawyer buddies and what&#039;s &quot;Of Counsel&quot;? - Better Call Dave - Bankrupt MN Blog\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:description\" content=\"There are three or four other lawyers with whom I consult more or less constantly. Actually maybe it&#8217;s five other lawyers. Two are guys I office with, and the others are people I speak with a lot, usually by phone. I&#8217;m reluctant to name them because I don&#8217;t want them held responsible in any way &hellip; Continue reading &quot;Lawyer buddies and what&#8217;s &#8220;Of Counsel&#8221;?&quot;\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:url\" content=\"https:\/\/mn-bankruptcy.com\/blog\/lawyer-buddies-and-whats-of-counsel\/\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:site_name\" content=\"Better Call Dave - Bankrupt MN Blog\" \/>\n<meta property=\"article:publisher\" content=\"https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/davidkelllylawoffice\" \/>\n<meta property=\"article:published_time\" content=\"2007-11-07T21:48:00+00:00\" \/>\n<meta property=\"article:modified_time\" content=\"2019-04-20T21:42:03+00:00\" \/>\n<meta name=\"author\" content=\"DaveKelly\" \/>\n<meta name=\"twitter:label1\" content=\"Written by\" \/>\n\t<meta name=\"twitter:data1\" content=\"DaveKelly\" \/>\n\t<meta name=\"twitter:label2\" content=\"Est. reading time\" \/>\n\t<meta name=\"twitter:data2\" content=\"2 minutes\" \/>\n<script type=\"application\/ld+json\" class=\"yoast-schema-graph\">{\"@context\":\"https:\/\/schema.org\",\"@graph\":[{\"@type\":\"Article\",\"@id\":\"https:\/\/mn-bankruptcy.com\/blog\/lawyer-buddies-and-whats-of-counsel\/#article\",\"isPartOf\":{\"@id\":\"https:\/\/mn-bankruptcy.com\/blog\/lawyer-buddies-and-whats-of-counsel\/\"},\"author\":{\"name\":\"DaveKelly\",\"@id\":\"https:\/\/mn-bankruptcy.com\/blog\/#\/schema\/person\/a385963a920f92e1cf406fa921c98453\"},\"headline\":\"Lawyer buddies and what&#8217;s &#8220;Of Counsel&#8221;?\",\"datePublished\":\"2007-11-07T21:48:00+00:00\",\"dateModified\":\"2019-04-20T21:42:03+00:00\",\"mainEntityOfPage\":{\"@id\":\"https:\/\/mn-bankruptcy.com\/blog\/lawyer-buddies-and-whats-of-counsel\/\"},\"wordCount\":389,\"commentCount\":0,\"publisher\":{\"@id\":\"https:\/\/mn-bankruptcy.com\/blog\/#organization\"},\"articleSection\":[\"fellowship\"],\"inLanguage\":\"en\",\"potentialAction\":[{\"@type\":\"CommentAction\",\"name\":\"Comment\",\"target\":[\"https:\/\/mn-bankruptcy.com\/blog\/lawyer-buddies-and-whats-of-counsel\/#respond\"]}]},{\"@type\":\"WebPage\",\"@id\":\"https:\/\/mn-bankruptcy.com\/blog\/lawyer-buddies-and-whats-of-counsel\/\",\"url\":\"https:\/\/mn-bankruptcy.com\/blog\/lawyer-buddies-and-whats-of-counsel\/\",\"name\":\"Lawyer buddies and what's \\\"Of Counsel\\\"? - Better Call Dave - Bankrupt MN Blog\",\"isPartOf\":{\"@id\":\"https:\/\/mn-bankruptcy.com\/blog\/#website\"},\"datePublished\":\"2007-11-07T21:48:00+00:00\",\"dateModified\":\"2019-04-20T21:42:03+00:00\",\"breadcrumb\":{\"@id\":\"https:\/\/mn-bankruptcy.com\/blog\/lawyer-buddies-and-whats-of-counsel\/#breadcrumb\"},\"inLanguage\":\"en\",\"potentialAction\":[{\"@type\":\"ReadAction\",\"target\":[\"https:\/\/mn-bankruptcy.com\/blog\/lawyer-buddies-and-whats-of-counsel\/\"]}]},{\"@type\":\"BreadcrumbList\",\"@id\":\"https:\/\/mn-bankruptcy.com\/blog\/lawyer-buddies-and-whats-of-counsel\/#breadcrumb\",\"itemListElement\":[{\"@type\":\"ListItem\",\"position\":1,\"name\":\"Minnesota Bankruptcy\",\"item\":\"https:\/\/mn-bankruptcy.com\/blog\/\"},{\"@type\":\"ListItem\",\"position\":2,\"name\":\"Lawyer buddies and what&#8217;s &#8220;Of Counsel&#8221;?\"}]},{\"@type\":\"WebSite\",\"@id\":\"https:\/\/mn-bankruptcy.com\/blog\/#website\",\"url\":\"https:\/\/mn-bankruptcy.com\/blog\/\",\"name\":\"Better Call Dave - Bankrupt MN Blog\",\"description\":\"Minnesota Bankruptcy Lawyer David Kelly discusses Filing Bankruptcy in Minnesota\",\"publisher\":{\"@id\":\"https:\/\/mn-bankruptcy.com\/blog\/#organization\"},\"potentialAction\":[{\"@type\":\"SearchAction\",\"target\":{\"@type\":\"EntryPoint\",\"urlTemplate\":\"https:\/\/mn-bankruptcy.com\/blog\/?s={search_term_string}\"},\"query-input\":{\"@type\":\"PropertyValueSpecification\",\"valueRequired\":true,\"valueName\":\"search_term_string\"}}],\"inLanguage\":\"en\"},{\"@type\":\"Organization\",\"@id\":\"https:\/\/mn-bankruptcy.com\/blog\/#organization\",\"name\":\"Kelly Law Office\",\"alternateName\":\"Dave Kelly Law Office\",\"url\":\"https:\/\/mn-bankruptcy.com\/blog\/\",\"logo\":{\"@type\":\"ImageObject\",\"inLanguage\":\"en\",\"@id\":\"https:\/\/mn-bankruptcy.com\/blog\/#\/schema\/logo\/image\/\",\"url\":\"https:\/\/mn-bankruptcy.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/05\/Kelly_Bnnr-3.jpg\",\"contentUrl\":\"https:\/\/mn-bankruptcy.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/05\/Kelly_Bnnr-3.jpg\",\"width\":549,\"height\":144,\"caption\":\"Kelly Law Office\"},\"image\":{\"@id\":\"https:\/\/mn-bankruptcy.com\/blog\/#\/schema\/logo\/image\/\"},\"sameAs\":[\"https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/davidkelllylawoffice\",\"https:\/\/x.com\/mnbankruptlawyr\",\"https:\/\/www.linkedin.com\/in\/david-kelly-5887aa7\/\",\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/user\/freshstartdwi\"]},{\"@type\":\"Person\",\"@id\":\"https:\/\/mn-bankruptcy.com\/blog\/#\/schema\/person\/a385963a920f92e1cf406fa921c98453\",\"name\":\"DaveKelly\",\"image\":{\"@type\":\"ImageObject\",\"inLanguage\":\"en\",\"@id\":\"https:\/\/mn-bankruptcy.com\/blog\/#\/schema\/person\/image\/\",\"url\":\"https:\/\/secure.gravatar.com\/avatar\/25bc3be9b896136baf5897f6238b816558c7b3ecb8147373f71c203e2763a6e8?s=96&d=mm&r=g\",\"contentUrl\":\"https:\/\/secure.gravatar.com\/avatar\/25bc3be9b896136baf5897f6238b816558c7b3ecb8147373f71c203e2763a6e8?s=96&d=mm&r=g\",\"caption\":\"DaveKelly\"},\"description\":\"I've been practicing law in the western suburbs of Minneapolis for over 37 years. Sometimes that seems like a long time, and other days I feel as if I just started. These days my practice is devoted entirely to counseling folks concerning their financial problems and representing them in Chapter 7 and Chapter 13 bankruptcy. One thing I don't do is credit repair. When asked about matters concerning credit scores, I like to say \\\"I'm a very good source of unreliable information about that.\\\" What I mean is that I hear a lot about it from my clients who often report back to me how they are doing after their bankruptcy is completed, sometimes even years later; but having heard some stories from a few people doesn't qualify me to give any advice. I spend a lot of time with my clients. I want to be sure we get it right. There are civil and criminal penalties for concealing or providing incorrect information in a bankruptcy care, and my goal is to keep myself and my clients as far away from problems like that as possible. You can find me in MInnetonka near I-394 and Hopkins crossroad. It's ten or fifteen minutes from downtown Minneapolis. You can see parts of Plymouth, Minnesota, Golden Valley, Minnesota and St. Louis Park, Minnesota from the high ground in front of my building. If you take a look at the map, you can see that most of St. Louis Park is closer to my office than many parts of Minnetonka.\",\"sameAs\":[\"http:\/\/www.mn-bankruptcy.com\"],\"url\":\"https:\/\/mn-bankruptcy.com\/blog\/author\/davekelly\/\"}]}<\/script>\n<!-- \/ Yoast SEO plugin. -->","yoast_head_json":{"title":"Lawyer buddies and what's \"Of Counsel\"? - Better Call Dave - Bankrupt MN Blog","robots":{"index":"index","follow":"follow","max-snippet":"max-snippet:-1","max-image-preview":"max-image-preview:large","max-video-preview":"max-video-preview:-1"},"canonical":"https:\/\/mn-bankruptcy.com\/blog\/lawyer-buddies-and-whats-of-counsel\/","og_locale":"en_US","og_type":"article","og_title":"Lawyer buddies and what's \"Of Counsel\"? - Better Call Dave - Bankrupt MN Blog","og_description":"There are three or four other lawyers with whom I consult more or less constantly. Actually maybe it&#8217;s five other lawyers. Two are guys I office with, and the others are people I speak with a lot, usually by phone. I&#8217;m reluctant to name them because I don&#8217;t want them held responsible in any way &hellip; Continue reading \"Lawyer buddies and what&#8217;s &#8220;Of Counsel&#8221;?\"","og_url":"https:\/\/mn-bankruptcy.com\/blog\/lawyer-buddies-and-whats-of-counsel\/","og_site_name":"Better Call Dave - Bankrupt MN Blog","article_publisher":"https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/davidkelllylawoffice","article_published_time":"2007-11-07T21:48:00+00:00","article_modified_time":"2019-04-20T21:42:03+00:00","author":"DaveKelly","twitter_misc":{"Written by":"DaveKelly","Est. reading time":"2 minutes"},"schema":{"@context":"https:\/\/schema.org","@graph":[{"@type":"Article","@id":"https:\/\/mn-bankruptcy.com\/blog\/lawyer-buddies-and-whats-of-counsel\/#article","isPartOf":{"@id":"https:\/\/mn-bankruptcy.com\/blog\/lawyer-buddies-and-whats-of-counsel\/"},"author":{"name":"DaveKelly","@id":"https:\/\/mn-bankruptcy.com\/blog\/#\/schema\/person\/a385963a920f92e1cf406fa921c98453"},"headline":"Lawyer buddies and what&#8217;s &#8220;Of Counsel&#8221;?","datePublished":"2007-11-07T21:48:00+00:00","dateModified":"2019-04-20T21:42:03+00:00","mainEntityOfPage":{"@id":"https:\/\/mn-bankruptcy.com\/blog\/lawyer-buddies-and-whats-of-counsel\/"},"wordCount":389,"commentCount":0,"publisher":{"@id":"https:\/\/mn-bankruptcy.com\/blog\/#organization"},"articleSection":["fellowship"],"inLanguage":"en","potentialAction":[{"@type":"CommentAction","name":"Comment","target":["https:\/\/mn-bankruptcy.com\/blog\/lawyer-buddies-and-whats-of-counsel\/#respond"]}]},{"@type":"WebPage","@id":"https:\/\/mn-bankruptcy.com\/blog\/lawyer-buddies-and-whats-of-counsel\/","url":"https:\/\/mn-bankruptcy.com\/blog\/lawyer-buddies-and-whats-of-counsel\/","name":"Lawyer buddies and what's \"Of Counsel\"? - Better Call Dave - Bankrupt MN Blog","isPartOf":{"@id":"https:\/\/mn-bankruptcy.com\/blog\/#website"},"datePublished":"2007-11-07T21:48:00+00:00","dateModified":"2019-04-20T21:42:03+00:00","breadcrumb":{"@id":"https:\/\/mn-bankruptcy.com\/blog\/lawyer-buddies-and-whats-of-counsel\/#breadcrumb"},"inLanguage":"en","potentialAction":[{"@type":"ReadAction","target":["https:\/\/mn-bankruptcy.com\/blog\/lawyer-buddies-and-whats-of-counsel\/"]}]},{"@type":"BreadcrumbList","@id":"https:\/\/mn-bankruptcy.com\/blog\/lawyer-buddies-and-whats-of-counsel\/#breadcrumb","itemListElement":[{"@type":"ListItem","position":1,"name":"Minnesota Bankruptcy","item":"https:\/\/mn-bankruptcy.com\/blog\/"},{"@type":"ListItem","position":2,"name":"Lawyer buddies and what&#8217;s &#8220;Of Counsel&#8221;?"}]},{"@type":"WebSite","@id":"https:\/\/mn-bankruptcy.com\/blog\/#website","url":"https:\/\/mn-bankruptcy.com\/blog\/","name":"Better Call Dave - Bankrupt MN Blog","description":"Minnesota Bankruptcy Lawyer David Kelly discusses Filing Bankruptcy in Minnesota","publisher":{"@id":"https:\/\/mn-bankruptcy.com\/blog\/#organization"},"potentialAction":[{"@type":"SearchAction","target":{"@type":"EntryPoint","urlTemplate":"https:\/\/mn-bankruptcy.com\/blog\/?s={search_term_string}"},"query-input":{"@type":"PropertyValueSpecification","valueRequired":true,"valueName":"search_term_string"}}],"inLanguage":"en"},{"@type":"Organization","@id":"https:\/\/mn-bankruptcy.com\/blog\/#organization","name":"Kelly Law Office","alternateName":"Dave Kelly Law Office","url":"https:\/\/mn-bankruptcy.com\/blog\/","logo":{"@type":"ImageObject","inLanguage":"en","@id":"https:\/\/mn-bankruptcy.com\/blog\/#\/schema\/logo\/image\/","url":"https:\/\/mn-bankruptcy.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/05\/Kelly_Bnnr-3.jpg","contentUrl":"https:\/\/mn-bankruptcy.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/05\/Kelly_Bnnr-3.jpg","width":549,"height":144,"caption":"Kelly Law Office"},"image":{"@id":"https:\/\/mn-bankruptcy.com\/blog\/#\/schema\/logo\/image\/"},"sameAs":["https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/davidkelllylawoffice","https:\/\/x.com\/mnbankruptlawyr","https:\/\/www.linkedin.com\/in\/david-kelly-5887aa7\/","https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/user\/freshstartdwi"]},{"@type":"Person","@id":"https:\/\/mn-bankruptcy.com\/blog\/#\/schema\/person\/a385963a920f92e1cf406fa921c98453","name":"DaveKelly","image":{"@type":"ImageObject","inLanguage":"en","@id":"https:\/\/mn-bankruptcy.com\/blog\/#\/schema\/person\/image\/","url":"https:\/\/secure.gravatar.com\/avatar\/25bc3be9b896136baf5897f6238b816558c7b3ecb8147373f71c203e2763a6e8?s=96&d=mm&r=g","contentUrl":"https:\/\/secure.gravatar.com\/avatar\/25bc3be9b896136baf5897f6238b816558c7b3ecb8147373f71c203e2763a6e8?s=96&d=mm&r=g","caption":"DaveKelly"},"description":"I've been practicing law in the western suburbs of Minneapolis for over 37 years. Sometimes that seems like a long time, and other days I feel as if I just started. These days my practice is devoted entirely to counseling folks concerning their financial problems and representing them in Chapter 7 and Chapter 13 bankruptcy. One thing I don't do is credit repair. When asked about matters concerning credit scores, I like to say \"I'm a very good source of unreliable information about that.\" What I mean is that I hear a lot about it from my clients who often report back to me how they are doing after their bankruptcy is completed, sometimes even years later; but having heard some stories from a few people doesn't qualify me to give any advice. I spend a lot of time with my clients. I want to be sure we get it right. There are civil and criminal penalties for concealing or providing incorrect information in a bankruptcy care, and my goal is to keep myself and my clients as far away from problems like that as possible. You can find me in MInnetonka near I-394 and Hopkins crossroad. It's ten or fifteen minutes from downtown Minneapolis. You can see parts of Plymouth, Minnesota, Golden Valley, Minnesota and St. Louis Park, Minnesota from the high ground in front of my building. If you take a look at the map, you can see that most of St. Louis Park is closer to my office than many parts of Minnetonka.","sameAs":["http:\/\/www.mn-bankruptcy.com"],"url":"https:\/\/mn-bankruptcy.com\/blog\/author\/davekelly\/"}]}},"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/mn-bankruptcy.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/40","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/mn-bankruptcy.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/mn-bankruptcy.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/mn-bankruptcy.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/mn-bankruptcy.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=40"}],"version-history":[{"count":2,"href":"https:\/\/mn-bankruptcy.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/40\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":6372,"href":"https:\/\/mn-bankruptcy.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/40\/revisions\/6372"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/mn-bankruptcy.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=40"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/mn-bankruptcy.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=40"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/mn-bankruptcy.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=40"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}